Own Every Part of Yourself with Janet Hogan

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She had it all… on the outside, but something was seriously wrong. After a near-death experience, Janet realized she had to make some changes, she didn’t want to die with regrets. Today she helps other people own every part of themselves and find healing. 

Highlights:

{02:10} Personal story

{06:03} The metaphor of an Army Tank

{10:46} The metaphor of Winnie the Pooh

{15:14} What makes Janet a Titan

{28:05} The fifth door

{42:03} What people don’t know about Janet. 

{56:20} Past-life.  

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Janet Hogan Bio

By age 22, Janet had graduated with a BA in Communications, and become a punk rock model, Dolly cover girl, movie actress, soapie star, restaurant owner, radio DJ and Australia’s youngest ever copywriter to win a Lion at Cannes. She went on to become co-founder of Oddfellows ad agency, then moved to north Queensland to create a multi-million dollar waterfront property development. 

At 48, she had it all… on the outside. But something was seriously wrong. It took losing it all for her to wake up. What Janet didn’t have was the deep contentment that comes from knowing your true calling. In a breakthrough moment, she realized that what she thought was a selfless sacrifice in looking after her family and chain of businesses was in fact selfishness. Janet had been denying myself and the world my great gift as a teacher – her true calling.

A lifetime of studying human nature and my rollercoaster of successes and failures have become the basis for her breakthrough workshops. Janet spent 40 years figuring out my place on the planet and if she can empower others to do the same and save them a decade or two in the process, she has done her job. 

The 5th Door pathway is a 5-step process-driven personal transformation journey on steroids. Designed to fast-track the discovery of who you really are and your true calling so you can experience the joy of a life lived on purpose.

Connect with Janet:

https://janethogan.com

Hey, welcome to the show. I am, of course, Travis Johnson, and somewhere on the screen, you’re going to find Carol. She’s amazing; she’s my co-host, and we’ve got a special guest for you today, a real treat for a good friend of ours, Janet Hogan Janet. How are you doing today? 

I’m doing really well. Thank you, Travis, and thank you, Carol. I’m really happy to be here. 

That might just be an automated response from a computer-generated Janet.

We have no idea it was 2:00 a.m. in Bali. We’re not even sure if she’s here, but if she is, I have the honor of introducing her because she’s done some amazing work and it wasn’t until her late 40s that she realized she was so dissatisfied with everything she had done. She had all of this… She made a lot of money and helped a lot of people, but it wasn’t her calling, and she had this gut feeling, Janice just let everyone down. That she’s not operating as her true self is something that really drives her and will bring her to that next level.

Over the next 20 years, she worked on this thing, and it’s called the fifth door. I had the opportunity to go through the 5th door last year. And I had done years and years of counseling with different modalities, and the fifth door was the first thing that actually cut through my tough exterior and got to the heart of what my core destructive belief is and what’s holding me back, and why is it there, and how do you get it there, how do you fix it?

Janet, it is absolutely nuts that your program was able to dial me in, especially so quickly. I’ve never had that before. 

Well, thank you, Travis. Yeah, I guess I come from outside the conventional personal development world, and I guess as someone who’s been on the receiving end of a whole bunch of programs and courses, and you know things to make you, you know, give you the money mindset, or whatever.

I guess money is often the entry point into these programs because, you know, when we have a lack of it, we want someone to fix us and turn us into an overnight gazillionaire. I think I came out of doing a whole bunch of those programs feeling really disillusioned, with a distinct sense that no one gives a ****. 

Yeah, I could definitely see that. You see coaching programs out there, and every one of them starts at $5,000, and there are all of these things like, “Oh, you’ll get the PDF and the course,” and “Well, if you get this level of coaching, I really will give you the answer,” and it seems like it’s always this…. I’m not sure what you call it… but it’s like it’s the false illusion of the promise, and you do the thing and it, just like Puck. Oh no, it’s over here now, and you go for it again and you get that feeling, but you never quite get it.

the dangling carrot as you go along, right, and you never really get to the card. 

Yeah, absolutely. And I think our minds are so devious as well. You know, they tell us that we’re OK and that we’re fine, and that’s a slippery slope. That’s the piece, and I think that is the challenge for all of us. How do we get around our minds? 

And I realized I suppose one of the aha moments for me were that we don’t. We can’t beat our minds. The only thing we can do is invite it to join the conversation. And when we do that, then that piece of us that would otherwise be like a self-saboteur is no longer there. The part that tells us where that tells us, “Oh, we’re OK” or “this person doesn’t know what they’re talking about.” You know that someone who tries to sidle out of a deep confrontation is actually willing to go along for the ride. 

I think when we start to say that there’s a piece of That’s wrong for us. Well, that we have to get rid of. I live in Bali, and there are many saviors who will tell you, “Hey man, you just have to get rid of your ego, and everything will be fine.” And that’s ********. I mean, why would you want to get rid of a piece of yourself that is there to serve a purpose? It’s just that it’s playing out too loud. 

So, we have to bring all parts of us into the conversation and include everything. And I guess I work under the assumption that there is no part of you that’s bad. Nothing is wrong with you; we simply need to bring it to your attention what might not be working for you right now. 

Oh yeah, that’s a huge piece of it, because the thing that helped me in whatever the situation was, that thing that helped me, worked. And at that moment, it protected me. It kept me safe, but it was no longer serving me. The thing that’s trying to protect me I’m, you know, a grown man. I can do a lot of things. Why are my emotions attempting to, keep me safe?

When I was a kid, it made all the sense in the world, didn’t it? You either know it or tell yourself a lie to cover it up; you disassociate yourself and do all of these things while feeling good and safe. You know, 40 years later, you’re still dealing with that same thing because it worked once, and our brains love things that we can repeat easily and do again. And it’s just running on automatic, do you find that until you actually challenge some of these things, it might no longer be serving you. 

Yeah, that’s totally true, Travis; that’s exactly what it’s like, and dissociation is such a fascinating ability that some of us have—not all of us, but some of us have to just literally pull ourselves out of a situation that feels really dangerous and It’s like we put ourselves in an army tank, but there isn’t a war, but we stay in that tank, and then we wonder why we feel so lonely, so isolated because we’ve never known life on the outside of that tank. It’s a strange metaphor.

But to understand, it takes a lot to get someone who has been on a particularly dangerous roller coaster in childhood, you know where you feel truly unsafe stepping outside of that machinery and going. You know it’s OK for your feet—your naked feet—to touch the real ground. That’s really scary. 

So yeah, we have to come up with ways to make someone feel OK to do that and make themselves vulnerable. And yeah, I suppose that requires a kind of sideways approach. 

It really does. 

Yeah, I think too. It’s a curiosity. If we can go back to being children, nothing was dangerous to us because it was all curiosity and discovery. And so even in that fear, if we can kind of embrace that and move forward with it, then nothing should be scary. It should all be learning, and challenging yourself because we don’t learn; it’s inherent in us. 

You know, we want to learn to crawl. We want movement, and then, from crawling, we want to walk. Then we take off like bats from hell. Hell, yes, and brains are frequently on the way. So be it. So, it must be. I believe we’ve all become jaded about it. You know, and we are comfortable. 

And, yes, even inside, we talk about my girlfriends and abusive situations. You know women. that keep going back and back to these circumstances. They know it’s dangerous. They know it’s not something that should be repeated, but it’s comfortable. It’s known. It’s familiar. So, they return to it, right? 

So, if we can challenge ourselves and go, “Well, I know that’s not the right thing to do.” I know it’s going to harm me, so why not change and make a different decision and discover what’s on the other side? Because it’s probably way better than what you’re dealing with. 

Yeah, this is where it gets interesting because if you do what Travis was talking about with this thing called the core destructive belief, the best analogy I can think of is imagining, imagine your house. 

And imagine you’re a big fat house.   

Yeah, you are a house, yeah? The house …I imagine that at the foundation of that well at the bottom of that house is a foundation that you can’t see but can feel slightly, and that termite is eating away at that foundation. The colony, except that you might only be dimly aware of it, is threatening your future self and how you’re going to show up in life. 

And then, when you think of a termite colony, actually, it’s quite interesting, because where do all these termites come from? You know, what, and what propagates all those termites? Do they just come from nowhere? No, there’s actually something like having a queen bee. There’s a queen termite. And she’s this big, fat thing. She’s like this big white grub, you’re like Michelin man. She’s enormous, and her job was just to lie there. She will be fed by the worker termites and lay eggs, and she lays about 3000 eggs a day. 

And it’s an interesting parallel with our own minds because her own mind is propagating—well, probably more than 3000 negative thoughts a day. It’s somewhere in that realm. I don’t know how they count thoughts, but they say it’s in the thousands, and most of them are negative, and so if you imagine that we might be structured in the same way where we have the equivalent of a queen termite, also known as chore destructive belief, that’s eating away at the foundations of our self-worth and self-esteem, that means not only can you not go back to that childhood state, but part of you is telling you on a subconscious level that even if you could, you don’t deserve it, yeah? 

That’s brutal.  

Yeah, yeah.  

It sure works well when it’s operating at a level that you can’t even see. You just have this dim sense that, yeah, I’m not worthy or lovable. Or I’m not good enough, you know? 

It’s like a black cloud that follows you. 

It’s crazy when you think about it. It is insane that this is how we’re wired, yeah? 

Yeah, it’s just like EOR and Winnie the Pooh, right? Like he builds a new house, and the rain comes and sweeps the house away, and he’s like, “Well, I didn’t like that house anyway”, you know? 

And how many of us relate to Eeyore? You know, he was my favorite character. He was kind of annoying, like oh, can’t you cheer? 

Tigger was a happy, bouncy dude, you know.

Well, each character is an emotion. 

Yes, ma’am.  

Yeah, yeah, each character represents a specific emotion, and it’s interesting to see which ones we identify with at one time or another, as piglet is scared of everything. Yeah, it’s it. It’s so interesting how that works.

Do you want to hear something funny? My child, I—well, it’s not funny, but I named him Christopher after Christopher Robin. Because I adored Winnie the Pooh, as well as Tigger and the other characters, and I used to read it to him every night. So that was when we talked about this. It makes me laugh a little bit because, you know, here I named Christopher… Chris, and he just I don’t know. He was a living example of a miracle to me. I wasn’t supposed to. I have children, and when I had children, He was like that. To me, this baby is a miracle. I was just like, “Oh, it’s just.”

Yeah, oh, I was just going to say yeah, so I wonder what Winnie the Pooh represents. What aspect of that because it’s such a weird name to give a character in the first place like Winnie the Pooh. I’m sure there’s a meaning for that, which in itself is kind of interesting. The concept of a **** is interesting because I think that’s probably true. 

Well, isn’t that POO and not POOH? 

Yeah, that’s right. Yeah, it’s a different spelling, but this is a nice little segue. But yeah, that, I suppose, is the part. Our *** you know, the stuff we don’t want to share, fascinates me. Which is where? You know, on a physical level, we might call it our ***, and on a metaphysical level, I guess it’s our shame. There’s a part of us that we don’t want to own, and I find it really interesting to go down beneath the floorboards and find out, yeah, what’s in that termite colony. 

I’m just looking right now at all the different characters and what they have. 

Winnie the Pooh, yeah? 

When Winnie the Pooh can’t stay focused, he’s got ADHD Piglet’s depressed Roe side is on the autism spectrum. He prefers to sit quietly and rarely ventures out. Tigger is impulsive and hyperactive, of course, which is why Carol likes him so much.

Oh great.  

Eeyore is obviously depressed, and OCD is all about the rabbit, right? Everything’s got its place. Everything has to go where it belongs. 

Yeah, yep yeah. Yeah, I’d probably relate to Kanga, not just because. I’m an Australian, but I have social anxiety. That’s relatable, yeah?

Oh, absolutely, the owl is dyslexic. And because Christopher Robin is the only person, who has schizophrenia, these are all figments of his imagination. 

Perfect.  

So, just to recap, Carol named her son after a schizophrenic. Which there most the worse possible outcomes be honest? 

No no.  

Well, what I think was beautiful about Christopher Robin was how they were all his friends. You know he didn’t dislike one of them, yeah? 

That’s right, they were all there. parts of him that he was a family. How often are we there? 

It was acceptance. 

Yeah, how often are we OK with all the different parts of ourselves? 

Yeah, yeah, absolutely not. And, if Christopher Robin had been like most of us and had his own way, he would have eventually gotten rid of all of those friends and been unable to be with himself, right? 

And they would have been alone and lonely. Yeah, yeah, Janet, I’ve got to ask. You knew you were able to do all this stuff. 

I’ve got to know what it is that makes you a titan. 

Or, perhaps, the fear of being a Titan, with its never-ending battle. Yeah, I feel that fear of my own greatness is what I’ve battled with all my life, and staying comfortable playing small is the key. 

Did that happen to anyone in your past? Did anyone in your past, or even in your present, put you in a position where you needed to diminish yourself? Or was this something that just happened within you where you just felt like you… You couldn’t shine fully, 

Yeah, it’s so interesting; that’s such a great question, Carol. And it’s funny when you get an inkling of what your fear might be. Isn’t it strange how all the dots seem to connect at once? Our school motto I’m a bit of a word nerd, and my favorite subject was Latin, which probably doesn’t mean anything to anyone now. 

I took four years,  

Really, yeah, we must talk anyway, so that is what I will do. 

But then Our school motto is Luceat Lux Vestra which just means Let Your Light Shine, and it didn’t mean anything to me for so, so long. And then I realized, “Oh my God, that’s exactly what I haven’t done for most of my life.” And I don’t; you know, unlike Travis, my childhood was relatively blessed, which can be its own dilemma. 

However, in my case, I believe probably my greatest role model was my dad, and he did great work, but he died a mystery to us all. He definitely threw himself on the altar of self-sacrifice. You know he was a surgeon actually.

He was known as “Doctor Ears,” and he performed the world’s first bionic or cochlear transplant on a baby, so it’s assumed he was pretty good at what he did and was very dedicated. But he never took the limelight or stood in the limelight. He always deferred to others. 

So now, 20 years after his death, very few people remember him. Yeah, it kind of stayed in obscurity, so it wasn’t so much that someone suppressed me. But I think I followed in his footsteps. You know, in the shadows, which is funny because that’s where I kind of hang out in people’s shadows and illuminate the dark side but, yeah, I think our environment has a lot to do with how we turn out, and if we have role models, I used to do the hospital rounds with him on Saturday mornings. 

I love doing that, and, you know, medicine was never my path. But I just love seeing how guys could sit in bed with bandages soaked in blood and wrapped around their heads, smiling when they saw the doctor. I thought, “Wow, that’s so cool.” You know how to help someone at that level. 

But I think I have collected myself in modesty for most of my life, and modesty is very nefarious because we say that when we’re modest, particularly women, when we toss away a compliment when someone tries to tell us that we might be good at something, we always say ah, that’s nothing.

That is about the ego showing up in a really devious kind of way. And I think I lived behind that mask for a long, long time. 

I believe it is cultural, as it is in ours. Compliments were scorned in my culture. You and I both know that my mother led by example. She treated you the same way your father treated you. You know, if a man said, “Oh, you’re beautiful,” you’d dismiss it because, for my mother, she didn’t want females in our family to be looked at as attractive because they had other traits that had merit, like intelligence. And you have the ability to take care of others and be yourself. You know I am selfless.

And so, she taught me by example. And, just like your dad did with you, you just kind of fall in their footsteps because that’s what you believe is the right thing to do, not understanding that, in a way, it works against you.

Yeah, that’s so true. You know, my dad used to come home every night and say, “Oh, they got their pound of flesh today,” like that was noble and worthy, and you know, I know this because there’s so much self-sacrifice with both genders, men and women. 

But I think if I were to say what upsets me most in the world, it’s our ability to throw our lives away as if they were nothing, and say that’s OK You know, men do it by going off to war, and women do it just by being women. And that, to me, is a human tragedy that we never get to find out whom we have the potential to become. And so, I was lucky to have a near-death experience. I guess that was a formative thing for me because I…  

What age?  

I was around 50 at the time. No, a little older than 50 Actually, God, it’s not even that long ago when I think about it, and I was just coming out of the back of the 2008 Great Recession, where we kind of lost everything. So that was just so much shame around that event for me because I took out a risky margin loan and trying to minimize our tax in a legal way totally backfired as a strategy. 

So, while everyone else was losing tens of thousands, we were losing $100,000 per day. I don’t know if you can It was just like crazy stuff. We were financially very successful. So basically, it gave me PTSD for a few months where my synapses just wouldn’t fire, and I remember. I can kind of smile at it now, but afterward, when we emerged from that, it would have been early 2009, We had this amazing house by the sea that we created. It was like a dream come true. You know, framed by palm trees. This is in Australia’s version of the Caribbean, with its aqua tropical waters and small islands Dotted all over the horizon. Private Beach was next door, and we had all of that with no income and a $5 million mortgage, and no one was buying properties at that point. 

Well, that’s what I wanted to check out at that point. I thought, OK, we’ve spent 30 years working really hard. “Nose to the grindstone,” and this is where it’s brought us, and it’s all because of me. This is my ego speaking, or I’m such a bad person because of myself. As you are aware, it is the ego or unresolved shadow that pushes us over the edge, or nearly so in my case. and if we can pull ourselves back from that edge… this is where humility, or even a glimmer of hope, comes into play. The true self emerges to kick in if we’re fortunate enough to be able to do that. That is when the next step must be, well, what the effort is. 

Because my previous life did not work for me. And that programming—you know, the one that took out the margin— But in the first place, I wanted to go with you to the tax department, but I wasn’t working. So, what exactly works? And that’s when I started, you know, being a seminar junkie and building up frustration that these guys don’t even care. 

Yeah, so I saw. I guess I saw in my dad someone who cared and wanted to deliver an outcome and given that he was my role model, I did go to one boot camp; it was a “face your fears” boot camp in the Malaysian jungle, where you’re throwing yourself out of trees, kind of proving that you Feel us. And none of that shifted the needle for me, actually. 

But there was one exercise where you went through a simulated death experience. So, imagine yourself standing. There’s a guy covered in tats in a room like a conference room. He looks like a Hell’s Angel, and he’s walking towards you with this weird grin on his face and his hands outstretched, and he’s about to squeeze your carotid arteries until you pass out, and they get you to sign a disclaimer form that literally looks like an old-fashioned before they do this. That is acceptable. 

In case you die, you can’t. Construct, or your family will be unable to return and sue. 

Yeah, or you come out of vegetables or something. All that, but, you know, part of me went, “Oh, this is a controlled situation.” I’m sure they know what they’re doing. So I wasn’t too worried about that. “Oh, what’s going to be on the other side?” was more like it. You can feel the light at the end of the tunnel, euphoria in your life. I was intrigued by what was flashing before my eyes.

And then, as I went down, I had this feeling of, “Oh, my God,” and it was like nausea. And then I had this voice just saying, “Oh Janet, you’ve let everyone down.” And then she banged out, and as I came to remember that I went “ahhh”

So, if this had been my real death, would I have heard that I’d let everyone down and the emotions that just went Bang Bang Bang Bang at that point in like a millisecond, like absolute disappointment, full-on outrage, self-righteousness—you know, how dare that wet sock of the line? The summation of my entire life, and then the big ohhhh. I know what this is about. I know what this is about. 

You’ve got it in that the first thought that came to mind for me was to be selfless. You know, sacrificing myself, you know, being the good woman, the tireless worker, the perfect wife—all that stuff that we tell ourselves we have to be, I’d actually been selfish. It was a form of selfishness that I hadn’t really understood up to that point. You know where I’d hidden my true self from the rest of the world You know, my gift. And I had no idea what that evil was, but it was just a sense of, “Oh yeah, you’ve been playing small, and you don’t even, you know, you think you have the big house, have the private beach?” You did know you flipped the bird at the convention, didn’t you? 

But it was you who was being selfish for you.

Now you get to share that gift with all these people. That’s true selflessness. 

Yeah, that’s exactly right. It’s getting out of your own way, but I suppose what it gave me was why that was such a wake-up call was oh… My… God… What if I was 90 years old and that was the thought that came to me as I was drawing My final breath 

Oh, dear. Yeah, no, no. 

You didn’t mention that. Can you imagine that? 

What would make you so overcome by guilt at that point?

Yeah, yeah.  

and I think these days people don’t understand. I have this. I had this mental image of a believing movie playing in my head. You’re born to do great things, and if each and every one of us could hold on to that and understand that you were not just thrown into this world to, oh, exist and not make an impact. 

Each and every one of us has the ability to achieve great things and affect this world in a very positive way. It’s up to us to decide if we’re going to do it, and when.  But that also means a lot of work, because we carry a lot of baggage with us, which we have to unload at some point and not carry anymore. But that requires a ton of work on your part, because we are conditioned by our past and because I have a different religion. So, I believe in reincarnation, and we carry baggage from that. If we never let it go, then there are a lot of things to, you know, unpack and 

And if we’re talking about the unknown That’s the scary part for me, Carol. But well, this is where I think fear of greatness kicks in. If I return to my father. I suppose I saw him as great and as an exhausted man, so typical of Maine. My story would have been one of greatness. Exhaustion equals self-sacrifice, but he wasn’t great in that sense in the sense that he was still the arrogant surgeon, right? 

So you know, he was still someone you couldn’t talk to about anything to anything medical. He hadn’t crossed that threshold, and I guess that’s where we’re talking about the fifth door, Travis, that you mentioned in the beginning. 

You know that the fifth door is what I call the door that you must cross the threshold to enter. Essentially, you have to get out of your own way and, you know, see that there’s something bigger than you. Do you know where we find our meaning in life when we can finally get out of our own way? And the irony, which I’m sure I’ve only recently realized, is that greatness has no weight. It’s not a 10-ton burden because the moment you articulate your vision and say it’s not about me, that’s when everyone comes, and you know it comes and joins you because they’re inspired by whatever greatness you’re pursuing. It’s not about you.

My father, you know, when he died, it was in relative obscurity. I mean, he had a great funeral with lots of people who came to it, but then quickly left it. Memory was gone. But there was another doctor at the same time called Doctor Eyes, Fred Hollows, another Aussie guy, and he had crossed that threshold. So, in other words, even though he was a great surgeon, it wasn’t about him. And no matter how vast his patient list was, it was all about his particular vision, which, funnily enough, was to restore vision to the eyes of people in developing countries. And he could do this operation for 20 dollars, so he set up the foundation, and he and my dad died at about the same time.

Oh wow.  

But 20 years later, this guy’s work is still going on at the Fred Hollows Foundation. You know he’s physically gone, but the people — all the angels who flocked to his assistance—are still around. Yeah, if we can understand that our greatness isn’t about us, it’s about something greater than us. Then we can go. Yes, this is where I lighten up, not where I carry the weight like me, or you know; that’s the reality. 

Interesting, yes, and what’s sad is that he did so much for so many people and yet he’s forgotten.

To even.  

You both have the same degree. As for the other doctor, Doctor Holloway, is that correct?

Yeah, I think that’s one of the benefits of advertising. It taught me really quickly that no one cares. No one cares about you, so if you’re searching for significance in people caring about you, you’ll go down the same route. 

Yeah, they might care about you in an unhealthy way, as they envy you, but then as soon as you’re gone, you know, so what? So, it’s incredibly liberating to realize that no one really cares, coming from an egoic sense, however, they can connect with you if they’re coming from a place of love. And that is real, and nothing can take it away. But to get there, we have to, you know, confront our adversaries. 

Be bigger than yourself. 

Yeah, we have to confront our fear. We have to confront the creator of that fear. The core destructive belief, so that’s where it gets interesting. 

Yeah, I know that from our work together, this show… the words that we used to describe this show, “The Titan,” came out of my work with you, and it’s amazing. I didn’t… doing shadow work, and I’m not sure how I see myself. Until we actually asked that question, like, “Well, what do you think of Travis?” and the instant that question was asked, there were no impediments. It was Travis as a Titan.

And even though it’s true, you don’t want to believe it based on what we know about humility and all that other stuff. And if you do want to believe it, it’s that scary feeling that you don’t want to be larger than life because you know that kind of behavior can feed your ego in a bad way, and that’s scary. 

Yeah, exactly. I remember when you came up with that, Travis, and you would draw it before you said it. Do you remember that? 

Yeah, I still have it in my notebook right here. 

And that was the inner self that was talking in that drawing and saying, “You know, maybe Travis is ready to emerge from the shadows,” and it was so beautiful to see that. Because deep within we know who we are, and I think it’s easier once you bring everyone on board just like Christopher Robin did. He brought all the characters in his family on board. He didn’t judge anyone. 

And if we can do the same with You know, ourselves. Just because I was always sad doesn’t make him a bad donkey. That’s just the way he is. And if we can embrace all aspects of ourselves, including our fear and that overprotective self, the shadow, that’s when we can stand up and not be. That’s when we really become unassailable.

You know, not from an egoic standpoint, but from the standpoint of someone who doesn’t like me as my authentic self, I’m fine. That’s all right. We have to; that’s that. 

But I think it takes a lot. To get there, don’t. Do you think so because? 

Oh yeah, absolutely. 

We’re afraid to embrace who we truly are because we’re afraid we’re not going to be accepted. And if we can get past that and truly allow ourselves to shine as the people we are, you know what’s interesting is that you’re right, it’s much lighter because you’re standing in your own shoes, walking your own path, and you’re not carrying that weight of all the things you believe, should be doing. How you should act. All the beliefs that you carry from your past.  When you walk in your own shoes, you carry baggage from your past. You shed all that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

It’s amazing.  

So true, and how easily? I mean, I’ve been known to throw sticks and stones at people who were doing good work, such as Fred Hollows. Yeah, but that’s not me. I mean, I don’t want to dedicate my life to saving people’s sight. You know, he’s one of those do-gooders. 

But everybody has their own thing that they’re going to contribute to the world, and that’s your gift to the world.

Yeah, 

Yeah. 

Perhaps one of the ways we misunderstand the concept of greatness is that we must save the world and the people we tend to talk about who were great, such as JFK and Martin Luther, they almost become caricatures of people who were vastly impactful, and we go, “Oh, that’s greatness.” Well, that’s not for me. 

Well, what if greatness was just being there for one person? You know what if that was greatness? Because I think maybe we need to reframe greatness, mm-hmm, otherwise it becomes too impossible, too distant, and not for me. 

Yeah, I really think operating as yourself is the same thing as greatness, because when you’re operating as your true self, all that ease of it all shows up, and that becomes the output of the inner work, the inner self.

I’ve been doing a lot of work. As we’ve been emphasizing for the past year in particular, truly, and it was one of the things I was encouraged to do. I signed up in the fall. We’ve been doing This improv class. And in improv, they run you through all these different games. And I interviewed an improv guy a couple of years ago on my old show, and that came up as like three years ago in my timeline today. As I was looking through it this morning, I felt like I had such a great time and it’s such a great way. Yeah, I mean, like improv. If you study it and learn how to play games, you will learn a lot. How do we let go of all those constraints that we have? As you are aware, we are at various stages in our lives where we are in various socioeconomic circles, or we have people in the military. The people that are attending are all these different types of people. 

And the last couple of weeks, the gal has been teaching us and has been telling me to do a good job, and last night I challenged her a little bit. I was like are you just putting me on as if you’re saying she’s no good? You’re able to really be in it and let go of all this stuff. “There’s like a couple of you in the group,” she says, and when she mentions the other name, she says, “Oh, I see. “It’s like when you’re in the scene, nothing else even exists. And that’s where the magic comes in, and I’m able to be myself and do that. Play as an adult. It’s a big game of make-believe and pretends, right? 

It’s Christopher Robin thinking of all his animal friends. However, in the scene, whatever the constraints are, they are what they have stated to be. You’re operating within that, and nothing else in the world even exists. And it’s so much fun. And it’s so impactful that you get laughs from the crowd. And oh, man, I tell you what—I definitely get fueled by attention. 

I’m just saying I’m going to join you, it sounds like fun, yeah. So yeah, here’s the thing: So it’s a skill that you’ve acquired in the past because you’ve had that ability to pull yourself out of a situation and dissociate, right? Hmm, but now you’re doing it consciously from the ground itself, and you’re going. Oh, I’ve actually been doing this all my life, but now I’m doing it as well. Yeah, you’re bringing all the characters as the Titan who isn’t afraid of the unknown. 

The character of your life, Christopher Robin. You’re bringing them around and playing with them. And that’s so cool. 

Yeah, you get to control and design it now because you’ve stepped into it, yeah? 

There’s another movie. It’s a little bit more recent than that. That kind of deal deals with feelings. This movie is called “Inside Out.” Have you guys seen this? You, uh, have emotions like anger, joy, or sadness, as well as envy. I got all of these small items. 

Oh, wait. Is this the cartoon one? 

The cartoon one… as they’re all in the head.

I’ve seen it.  

Where are they with that one, yeah, yeah, yeah? Everyone is talking as if they don’t know what it is. Yes, like the Control Center, OK. 

Yeah, the Control Center Lewis Black plays; you know his anger, and he’s so good at yelling like it’s a lot of fun, but they’re running around trying to find the core memories, right? This almost lines up exactly with what Janet does. And it wasn’t until the end of the film that they realized the importance of sadness in the ecosystem of someone’s life, because even though they had those dark memories, the rainy ones, the mistakes, right? They had all those.

But as soon as it gets to the next scene, that sadness, and the act of expressing it, is what brings the family together to comfort her and make her feel. Safe again. 

Yeah, I….  

Well, we also need all our emotions in order to really, you know, understand. as we have discussed. You know my culture, especially, It’s all about opposites. You know male, female, happiness, sadness. Right, good is evil. Darkness, light. One cannot be fully appreciated one without experiencing the other. 

Yeah. Because every day was sunny, you lost the ability to recognize how wonderful that sunniness is. 

You wouldn’t appreciate it, yeah? 

Maybe that’s what’s going on with San Diego like when they get there in the winter, it rains for three days. That’s their winter. 

Well, that’s very true. It’s like living in Bali. It’s always, you know, 29 centigrade. So yeah, that’s about it.

Oh nice. 

It’s always 88 degrees Fahrenheit, gives or takes a degree, so no one talks about it. Because, like the fish in the fishbowl, the water never changes, right? The weather never changes, so you don’t have that…. Yes, that metaphorical winter.

There are places like that, and there’s that Mediterranean whether you’re talking about. For example, when we had Lou Marinoff on, he was from Canada, and they don’t talk about race because everyone is essentially white. Right, so race isn’t an issue, not because it’s not an issue but because there’s nothing. There’s no competing interest. There’s no one in there. talking about it because it doesn’t exist. It’s fascinating to see how. That goes, yeah. 

They obviously have not been to Vancouver or Victoria. It’s a melting pot. 

Right, I’m talking about the vast majority of people living in two major cities. There are two on the West Coast, as well as in Toronto and Quebec, but none elsewhere. Everyone looks the same, and that’s not an issue. 

Milky Way.  

Yeah, that’s not an issue in Canada. They might have a few, but 

That’s OK; my boyfriend is Canadian, so yeah. 

He’s white?

Oh, my milky way, milky! 

I’m writing that down. 

No, he makes fun of himself because he is. 

I don’t know why. 

He is… obviously. This isn’t something. That I am drawn to but enjoy My ex-husband… You know the most about white, like really, really white. 

like Irish white. 

White Scotch Irish. That’s why I ended up with a redhead One of my sons, my youngest son, is a redhead. So, yeah, it’ll be interesting to see how that plays out, but it’s clear that we have our own type of attraction to people, right? 

Oh yeah.  

And what we consider attractive is not necessarily what somebody else finds it attractive, but for some reason, I am very attracted to white guys, did I just say that publicly? I just did so. 

Yeah, yeah, you heard it here, folks. Carol prefers white men, preferably the Milky Way. 

I can’t take that back anymore. 

Janet, I got to I’ve got to know you, and I’d love for you to share something with us that most people just don’t know about you. 

Oh, probably one of so many things—oh, well.

I like this. 

If you have the time, we can go through them all. 

What’s something most people don’t know about me? Oh yeah, I got a … 

I suppose, when I was very young, about 21. I started a movie, and it was a feature film, and then I was given the role of the lead in a soap opera, and I went to the party and everything, and then I just had this sense that if I continue on this track, it’s not going to end well. Yep, I just saw the movie, and maybe it was just like an unfortunate experience. All the lead actors, whom I’d only known as famous people on movie posters, were *******. 

Never meet your heroes. 

I hung out with the dog trainer and the runner. They were the only people I found relatable on set.

And I’m not saying that all actors are like this at all because some are like the ones Travis is talking about. If they can ground themselves in their truths, that’s when they’re really free to improvise and show up in all these different guises. And that’s the beauty of acting at that level. But if it is coming from the ego itself, it can be really toxic. 

Those people generally were, in my humble opinion, me at that age when I knew absolutely nothing, but I just felt that they were vastly neurotic and insecure. And did I want my life to be surrounded by those people? So, I called my agent and I said, that is, I am not doing the public relations. I’m not doing anything and… 

But you want to know something—that’s so mature for your age at that young age to recognize that speaks volumes. 

It’s yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you, Carol, I think. There was some of it. Nonetheless, there is wisdom there. I did some extremely stupid things. But yeah, there was just a little voice in me that said, “Janet, if you do this, you know how it’s going to get, you know how it’s going to end? In a few years, you’ll be thrown out on the **** heap of life. You’ll have your little moment of glory, and you’ll think that’s who you are, and then you’ll live the rest of your life feeling miserable, depressed, and like a failure.”

And I wasn’t thinking that consciously; it was just a sense of I’d really like to hang out with these people, where it’s just a ***** fest and everyone knows who can scratch an eye out for the fastest and seize the glory. There’s a lot of that. 

So much negativity, yes. 

Yeah, there is so much negativity and insecurity, and I see it in these women who are a bit older than me because I was. like a young, bright thing with no wrinkles, and no experience. 

Oh my goodness! I assumed they were after you. Just envious.

Oh God, yes, no. 

There’s no point in talking to me about how sad I am. I was. It was just awful, and I thought, “Wow, this is what goes on behind the scenes,” and I’m sure that’s not true. at a certain level, right? I’m sure that’s not true. Obviously, that…  

We would hope it’s not true. 

But at the level I was playing at, it was definitely true, and so I basically went back to washing dishes in the cafe I was running with Ben. We’ve been together for 40 years, boyfriend. So, in that sense, I chose the small life, as in the non-celebrity life.

But there was greatness in that small life. You know, there was greatness in that small life. You know, getting married, having children, experiencing life from the trenches, and going through it that way, yeah.

Really, truly.  

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did my fair share of ***, and I paid for it by spending most of my life in that place known as the overcompensating self, where we try to be the good, worthy person. It’s so exhausting. 

It’s a self-sacrificing act. 

So, I lived most of my life there. 

Sorry, self-sacrifice is what it is. Yeah, you know. 

There are many people who suffer from this, and the solution is not less love or kindness; they must give themselves the same measure of Levin’s kindness to themselves because, when you’re out of balance, that’s the draining part.

Yeah, I agree with you.

It’s difficult for many people when you don’t love yourself. It’s easy to say, right? I can sit on this camera and say that stuff all day. It’s a lot harder to do, but once you do it, you’ll never look back. 

Exactly, I believe that is where we return to Christopher Robin, and what a great example that character is because he owned every part of himself, and we must do the same. But if we can’t see it, that’s very hard, so that’s what I believe is the work to be done. It’s bringing all those characters within us to the surface and making them go, You’re OK.

And maybe Eeyore has been playing a little bit too loud, so we’re going to ask you to go and stand in the back row. We’re not asking you to leave the stage; you’re still there. You’ve just been playing a bit too loud. Is it okay to ask that character’s permission and get their approval? And it is only then that we can begin to present ourselves as our true selves, free of the parts of ourselves that are not visible. are the bits that cause the damage. 

So, if we can bring them into the spotlight, we can see them for what they are. See them as ourselves now, it’s not so bad. Then that’s, I think when we can show up. without fear of what other people think of us, because they don’t care anyway. 

No, no, so what’s another thing? I know you said there were so many things but give us another example. 

Yeah, well, I think there was a bit of an entrepreneurial spark there. I really did love making money. I love the business of it. So, when I was about 15, my mom would hold dinner parties and I’d make the desserts, and in Australia, we have this dessert… and honestly… I don’t know why it’s so famous because all it is a meringue shell with cream in the middle and fruit. It takes its name from the Russian ballerina. Yeah, you know. That was back when you could have a lemonade stand and people would buy your glass of lemonade. So, I just stuck a sign on the front door of our family home saying, “Janet’s Pavlova.” country, and you are familiar with the prices, and then, the phone started ringing. This is why I am still at school. And it was really funny how the business just grew and grew from word of mouth, so you could go into our kitchen on any given day and find ants. I love Pavlovas, that’s the thing. That is the problem you must solve.

Oh, yeah. You have to. 

Put them in a place where the ants can’t get them. I’ve got a few stories. Yeah, but yes, so yeah, that’s right.

Termites, ants, donkeys 

There’s an insect scene going on here. Yeah, what’s that about? Let’s talk about AI next. No, but yeah, so it became almost too successful to the point where my dad dragged us off to France for a year when I was 16. And he basically became a student and just studied for years under the leading authority in the world at the time. And he had no money for a year. So, when we came back the only car he could afford was a little Lancer. I don’t know if you remember those, but they’re just like a

I do know. 

They’re not very big. They’re not a big station wagon, which is what you really need for delivering pavlovas, so Dad will kind of take off his surgeon’s outfit and be my chauffeur on the weekends as we drive the pavlovas to various functions around, you know, and I’d had to cater for this big function where we were doing pavlovas and cheesecakes and mousses and all sorts of things. And everyone in the family had three or four different desserts on their laps and was holding them. The car was just a

Oh jeez.  

The car was basically a Pavlova shop on wheels. And my dad wasn’t the best driver, so it was a little bit vague. 

Rough yes. 

He was great at removing tumors from someone’s brain. We were at a fork in the road. Just beat it out. And my mother added Barry, watch out. There’s a car there. You slammed on the right. The brakes were applied, and you can just imagine what happened. It was like all the desserts were put through a blender in the space of three seconds. He just turned around to face me with this very straight face, and he said, “Janet, I think you need to focus on your studies.” 

Dad, I need. I think you need to focus on Driving I…  

I was, too busy piercing the meringue back together, which we did end up delivering. But I think what I got from that was the joy of having my own money and buying. I bought two things. I bought a bicycle, and I bought a boat, just a little dinghy and they’re still my two most precious possessions, so I just loved the trading aspects of that. You know, putting goods out there and getting paid for them. and then buying stuff that I really cherished. And I think that’s followed me through my life, actually.

Well, something about your relationship with money, as well as mine, is appreciating, and we discuss the relationship between money and how people perceive it.

Yeah, oh

And it’s not evil. If we’re. OK, now that you understand that money is merely a tool, and instead of this evil, which I have, I have a girlfriend. That person talks about money as if it’s so evil, and I go, but it pays your bills and gives you the freedom to do whatever you want. 

So why is it so evil for you? And it’s because she sees it through the eyes of the people. The wealthy have all of it, and I said, “Well if that.” was true then. You’d have none of it. So what? Why is this? Such a difficult subject for you to grasp, and until she improved her understanding of what money meant to her.

And when she finally did, it was great to have a conversation with her because she finally realized it was just a tool. That’s it, and her relationship with money improved significantly when we could talk about investments and those things, and it didn’t go into this bitter, you know, “Oh my God, all the rich people have it all,” and “Oh my God, it’s like talking to a brick wall.” Do you know?  

Yeah, yeah.  

It’s funny you talk about that because, I mean, I grew up in trailer parks and foster homes, and that’s the way we used to talk about the rich…. when I return to that era, to that town, it’s as if I was insanely jealous and means to the lower middle class that I thought was so wealthy. 

Yes, rich, yes. 

From my perspective, you know, and it’s what you have. 

People say things like, “Oh, you know, Elon Musk,” or “I just like to tax the rich,” or “Tax them all you want” in these conversations. They don’t have an income as they do. It’s as if they’ve got Scrooge McDuck’s money, then full of money they go swimming every night, right? They’re all tied up in assets, stock futures, or all these different things. The valuation of their company It’s like they’re walking around with, I don’t know debit care.  They can just swipe endlessly on whatever they want to buy with a billion-dollar debit card. Like all of this stuff that’s been created, all of the things that they do take care of So many families Absolutely, absolutely. 

Have you guys ever done any past-life regression work? You know where you go back into the past, and I totally buy into what you’re saying, Carol, reincarnation and coming back. I totally believe that. So if you believe that, you have to believe the opposite too, that you’ve come. from somewhere, right? 

Oh yeah, absolutely. 

You know, yeah, and that’s interesting, what that can throw up because, yeah, funnily enough, I did have one. There are a lot of money issues. Although I enjoyed living in exchange and still do, my core need is prosperity, which I define as learning the ins and outs of giving and receiving—the receiving part can be difficult, but is that it if I have a vision for my life and the lives of others? We can all prosper by doing what we enjoy and earning a living from it. And that is way trickier than it sounds. 

no, no, no, but I totally agree. But look at how we talk about love, about being able to give and receive it. But many of us can give it, but we struggle, and have a hard time receiving it. Right.

And if we treat it like a door, I always tell people to close that door after they receive it. That means you can’t receive it. And then you can’t give it anymore. Back out because you closed that door, but if You keep the door open. It’s this open avenue and pathway to being able to give and receive that people forget. 

You know you can’t just say, “I’m going to give it to you.” Shut the doors and slam them, and you know that’s it, right? then you can’t receive it. But you can’t give anymore. It back out. And I believe it is critical for people to understand that you must do everything with your heart. Everything has to be open. 

There’s the other side of that too. There are people who are willing to receive, but they’re not willing to give. 

It’s a door. 

Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, buy my stuff all day long. Buy absolutely it. It’s fantastic that you buy, pay, pay me, pay me, pay me, pay me, pay me … well, hey, we’ve got this. other services that you could offer. I’m not going to put my money there, use. Out there at work, even though it’s to my advantage, I’ll only be receiving, does that have the same effect? 

Yeah, well, we have to be able to…. You know it’s a cycle, right? And all of us have to give them a receipt. It’s not just a one-way street, so I think people forget that. 

But it doesn’t work the other way, where you are willing to receive, but you’re not willing to give like you’ll take payment, but you’re not willing to pay for other people’s services. 

Once again, are the ones who open and close the door.

If we all want to prosper right there, according to Janet’s words? There has to be a cycle of giving and receiving. 

I don’t know if you guys have done past-life work, and this is how it might sound. Hippy, dippy, and thousands of people will be leaving, leaving, leaving the podcast at this point. 

That’s OK, I’m a guru.

I take full responsibility, but let’s just, you know, go back to the whole topic of exploring the terrain that is ourselves, because I do believe that’s probably the next frontier given where AI is going. It’s leaving us no choice but to understand who we fully are so that we can fully show up. 

One of the dimensions that can lead us there is the fact that someone lives before us. Own it. It’s really interesting where that can lead, and obviously, you approach all of this with an open mind, but it’s almost like your system picks up information that it needs to weave together the math that you are that makes sense of the fabric of your life—the relationship with money—is so interesting because it’s one of our key relationships, right? It’s like a really important relationship. If you don’t have enough money, you don’t have a roof over your head or food on the table, and you’re not surviving, you know. 

So, so sincere. It’s important, yet we seem so bad at it, and I think it’s really worth looking at. Why is that so? So, I’ve done some past-life work that yielded some interesting results, but it came as a result of doing …  I have done a lot of work on myself in this life, and again, we talked about our environment and the programming of my parents. 

And I remember when I was about 5 years old, we had this girl, Julie, who was about 14 at the time; she was like my babysitter. There was a housing commission. It’s like public housing just down the road, and she would come and do odd jobs in our garden, like sweeping leaves and things. Mom and Dad would pay her to do that. 

And so one day I decided I wanted to be like Julie. So, I spent the whole afternoon, you know, sweeping the lawn and the path. “Can I get paid now?” I asked Daddy. He looked at me in the horror! You didn’t do it because you want to, but because you want to help your family?

And I just remember that look of horror. This is my face, and suddenly I felt this emotion, which I didn’t know at the time, but it was a shame, you know, like, how dare you ask to be? You know, it was like that. 

Fast forward to when I was about 13 years old and I was a Pretty Little Thing. When I was younger, my mom and I had some photos taken, and the photographer said, “Oh, Janet should do a bit of modeling.” So, after school, I’d go and do modeling, but I didn’t tell anyone because it was in the days of women’s liberation. It was really. I’m cool with objectifying your body, right? So, I didn’t tell my friends or anything. And then my best friend came up to me one day at school and said it again with that look of horror on her face. She said, “Oh, channel. I was feeding my cat last night and laying out the newspaper, and there was a photo of you in the newspaper.” What are you doing? I replied, “Oh, yeah,” and just went with it. You know, I threw it away, and she said, “I can’t believe you’d prostitute yourself like that,” and so that was like… 

And then fast forward to When I was 20 and doing a BA in communications, everyone was studying the media and talking about how men were manipulating women and subliminal advertising and all of that. And I said it to my best friend.” And I just got a job in advertising,” she said, her face horrified once more. Oh, Janet, how could you prostitute yourself? “What’s this thing coming up all?”

In the movie that I was starring in, I was playing a double role, and one of them was, you guessed it, a prostitute and I’m going. Isn’t it interesting when we can helicopter above our lives? When we start to see patterns, we start to see little dots that look like signals but mean nothing at the time. They were just throwaways, but when you start to see a theme running through your life, you go. What the hell is that about? 

Sure enough, when I did that past-life work in a past life, I was a courtesan, as they so nicely referred to it at the time is a prostitute. I’m just going to say something here. Back in the day, before religion got in the way, it actually served a very useful purpose because, as the saying goes, it took the war out of men; when men came off the battlefield, they didn’t go straight home as raving maniacs, they went to the brothel and, you know, got all that excess energy and, you know, blood lust out of their system via the prostitute who was providing this service, so they could then go back to their family as, you know, a more balanced person. 

So that role has been denigrated and misunderstood, but I believe it was a theme running through my life in my subconscious mind that making money equated to selling your soul essence, and I know I got that from my father because when he died, we discovered. He did all these operations worth, you know, thousands and thousands of dollars but did not charge for them. Because he saw it as unworthy.

But he self-sacrificed.

Yeah, so this 

But he also not only sacrificed himself but also didn’t allow his family to benefit, because, you know, it is not taking a fair payment, it was bad for your family. I mean, if he had accepted fair payment, would you know not that you need more money, but that if he had been fairly compensated, your family would have prospered? The way it should have. 

Well, this is this. 

Absolutely yeah.  

There’s a line that says that this also applies to most American-based nonprofits, and I’m assuming a good portion of the world is they refuse to set up their organization in a way that they can get paid for all their time, energy, and effort. 

I’ve got to be the hero. I’ve got to be a martyr for my cause. If I’m not in pain If I’m not suffering as I’m doing this, it’s not actually worth anything, and that’s one of the reasons I stopped my other show. The nonprofit architect podcast I was so tired of hearing about people who wouldn’t care for themselves in the slightest. They wouldn’t cultivate their team. They wouldn’t learn how to do nonprofit work. They wouldn’t put a system in place that they could run without them.

They had to be the ones that had, you know, the Superman Cape underneath the suit, right? They had to be the ones who saved the world. They had to be the ones who were hurting. They had to be the culprit. As if they were performing penance. 

We were paying again for our poor relationship with your point of view. You know, and if you can just accept money for what it is — a really simple exchange for goods and services — you know, and just get paid for it. There’s nothing wrong with money. People are just really uncomfortable talking about it, but they want to look like these heroes. But at the end of the day, this is for a non-profit. If you don’t bring in income, that nonprofit no longer exists. 

You can’t serve the population that you’re trying to serve.

You are correct; you will not have the desired impact. 

Absolutely, absolutely, as, uh, we’re getting ready to wrap up here after just a phenomenal conversation, Janet, what advice would you have for someone who’s maybe struggling in one of these areas? 

The advice I would give is that we are programmed to look outwards, outside of ourselves, for the reason or the cause, and it’s never there. If I can speak to myself, it’s never to be found outside of ourselves. I know I was terrified of doing inner work because of my beliefs, as it turned out, I’m not good enough because I’m an empty shell. 

So, you scratch the surface, and when you go beneath it, you find nothing. And so, I was terrified. discovering the truth about myself and what I would tell anyone Who is sitting there? I’m on the verge of disliking the idea of inner work. I believe I am in good health. You will not only not be disappointed, but you will be delighted with what you discover. If you have the willingness to peer beneath the surface of yourself.

Yeah, I fully agree, and what’s the one place you want people to connect? with you, Janet. 

So, the one place where they can connect with me is, well, to put it simply: Actually, I probably just direct them to my website, www.janethogan.com. Yeah, it says a little bit about me, and there’s also my e-mail, janet@janethogan.com. Yeah, but as you know, I have little tools and things that people can try at no charge. 

This is not fear of money speaking here, but I do know that there’s a lot of apprehension and distrust of going down a rabbit hole because, you know, I don’t want to get caught up in an awkward situation or I don’t want to go into therapy. And you know, this is not therapy at all. This is just an unveiling. It’s unlearning. Really, and to that end, I’m happy to share a tool that I have called the “triangle of success,” where in just a few minutes you can actually discover what your core need is and what your true self really requires right now. 

And that gives you a North Star to follow, and you would be amazed at how quickly you can pull that out of your system. It’s there waiting to be discovered, and I’m more than happy to share that with people as well. Maybe we can include that in the notes are simply there so that people can begin to, you know, if you’re curious about them. 

Oh yeah, absolutely. 

Well, what is my greatness? What does that mean? What’s my meaning? What’s my purpose? Your system knows all of that already. It knows it. It’s just about how you extract it. So, like a good surgeon’s daughter, I have tools that will extract that information with the least amount of time investment so that you can get on with your life. quicker than you probably realize. 

Oh no, absolutely. And as someone who has actually gone through Janet’s whole “fifth door” program, I can honestly say that it was the thing that made the biggest impact on my life and the life of my family. I did years of therapy and all sorts of other programs, but I really could never get to the core of what it was that was bothering me. Even when I tried to hide it from Janet, she pulled it out of me.

I’ve got a nose for termites, that’s for sure.

A nose for termites. That sounds exactly like what we’re going to call this show. No, we’re not going to. Call this show “no.” No, we’ll click on it like I really termite nose! It’s like the old carnivals, with the bearded lady and such, oh, termite nose. We won’t be there any longer. Thank you so much for being our guest today. 

We appreciate you coming here and sharing and, as you know, showing us behind the curtain. of all the stuff in your

Oh, thanks to you guys, it’s just been fun. I kind of forgot that we’re recording, so I hope I Don’t pay attention to go. Oh my God, did I say that? 

It’s OK; it’s those candid, authentic moments that you have that make it all about you. 

Uh-huh, yeah, no, that’s what you guys are doing. an awesome job. I absolutely adore your mission. Thank you.  

Thank you. 

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